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My experience with cost of renting a car at Dublin Airport, March 2010


Just as a "heads-up" warning about cost quotations and actual costs that might be helpful to anyone wanting to rent a car in Ireland, I thought I'd post my recent experience.  I lived in Ireland for 10 years from 1997 to 2007, so know the country fairly well, but even so was surprised by how much more the actual cost turned out to be.

I used the Internet to reserve a car from Budget to be picked up at Dublin Airport to keep for 28 days.  When making the reservation, I didn't ask for "excess waiver" in the insurance.  Excess waiver means that Budget won't charge you a deductible ("excess") for damages.  However, there is fine print even in this insurance, and it might not cover tires, glass or damage underneath the car.  I also didn't specify a second driver in making the reservation.  The price breakdown in the email I received two weeks before getting to Dublin was this (in Euros):            
Car rental                   129.87
Car tax                         29.00
Airport surcharge         28.00
Taxes                           21.45
Protections                 551.00
Total                           759.32 

At the Budget desk at Dublin Airport, after asking for excess waiver, and putting a second driver on the contract, here's how it broke down.  Note that unless shown otherwise, these charges include a VAT (value added tax) of 13.5 percent, which is not mentioned in the Internet quote:
Car rental                      143.21
Car tax                                ?
Airport surcharge             28.00 (not taxed)
CDW                              362.07
Theft protection waiver  263.32
Excess waiver                345.61
Second driver                100.00 (not taxed)
Fuel deposit                    84.50 (to be refunded if tank full on return)
Total                           1,326.71

Actually, the total was 1,340.21, higher by 13.50.  Maybe this was the Car tax shown as "?" in my accounting.

Note that the fuel tank on the car I rented is about 12.2 U.S. Gallons, so the charge made for a full tank works out to be about $9.35 a gallon (1 Euro being $1.35).  It must be terribly expensive to get the fuel into that tank at the rental agency.



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tjfitz, 

Thanks very much for posting your rental car experience. It is a good lesson to everyone who rents a car in Ireland. I have warnings all over my website and forum about the problems that can be encountered. It is especially confusing when people are dazed and exhausted early in the morning and just off an overnight flight. That's when the rogues slip in "extras". 

All those extras can easily double the cost of the car. The car rental industry is not regulated. It is a wild west free-for-all and the consumer is not valued by most companies. Lately those here on my forum are using Dan Dooley because they are the only company I know of who discloses everything up front. With all the others it is "let the buyer beware!"

We appreciate hearing about your experience.

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Michele, you have a wonderful site here, and I'm glad I found it.  Lots of very useful information being posted.

I was surprised, on renting the car in Dublin, that VAT is being charged on insurance.  It seems it used to be exempt.  No longer, it seems.

Tom.

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Tom,

Thanks for your kind words about my forum. We do tend to have fun here helping others plan their trips to Ireland. Hope you will hang around occasionally and offer advice too.

The car companies will slip in whatever they can. Some even have a charge for using a credit card. Yet you can't rent a car without a credit card!

Michele

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Michele, I'll remove the following if you think it is unfair.  However it is a true story, and from what I have been told, not unusual at all in Ireland (and I lived 10 long years there, loving it most of the time, even though it was during the years of the "Celtic Tiger" and greed was rampant.)

Maybe I should also warn people renting cars to be sure to do a careful inspection of the vehicle before driving off. 

I had a bad experience in Co. Galway in 2006 when I rented a "white van" to move our family from one rented house to another. 

I telephoned a small agency on the Headford Road just north of Galway City, convenient to our semi-rural location which was a few miles farther north.  It was run by two partners and I asked to rent a van for half a day to include insurance for that period of time.  The man I dealt with was Partner #1, with Partner #2 out on a job with one of their tow trucks.  Partner #1 said the only van he had was still out in County Clare, I think it was, but was due back soon and would be available if I would ring him later.  I did so, the van was back and would be ready, so I went and got it and returned to our house.

My younger son and I did all the loading, moving and unloading work, and he stood behind as a guide every time I backed up the van for any reason.  About an hour before the end rental period, when the insurance was also due to expire, Partner #2, the man who had been away when I signed the rental papers, telephoned me and warned me that if I didn't have it back on-time, he would have to charge me for another half day of insurance (very expensive, as my earlier post might indicate).

So we hurried our last unloading and backed out as usual.  I was feeling stressed and didn't see my son's signal to stop, and backed into a hedge.  There was no bang or thump, just a "swish" from the leaves, and I thought nothing more of it. 

We got the van back to the agency in time, but no one was there, so I drove it into the fenced lot and turned it toward the overhead door of the agency, leaving room all around it for any washing or inspection they might wish to do.  I used my mobile phone to call Partner #2 to let him know I had the van returned, and was under the wire on time, and he thanked me and apologized for the rush.  Then my son and I were met by my wife with our car and we all went into Galway City to have lunch. 

Just as I was walking into the cafe, I realized I had the van keys in my pocket--I had forgotten to leave them off amid all the rush to get the van returned in time.  I was about to ring the agency when my mobile phone rang, and it was Partner #2.  I was glad to hear him, and started to tell him I had the keys and would leave immediately to return them in case he had another renter waiting.  He didn't answer, but only said, "Tom, there's a dent."  I asked him to say that again, and he did.

So, upset, I drove back to the agency, leaving my family to order their lunch.  The man took me to the back of the van and pointed to the rear left corner of the roof where, sure-enough, there was a dent with some paint chipped.  I said I didn't think I did that, and then he showed me the rear bumper and there were leaves caught in it.  I said that must be from when I backed into the hedge.  He said I probably hit a branch in the hedge.  He even accused me of parking the van so that the dent would not be visible when I returned it! In his defense, he said his call to me threatening to add another half day of insurance may have made me hurry and be distracted when I was backing the van.

Then we started discussing what could be done, and he ran through a list of items:
 pulling the dent, filling it and smoothing it, mixing a quantity of paint to match, applying the paint, then final polishing and blending.  All this would be done by a body shop next door to the agency, and he already had an estimate from that shop for the repair cost.   I agreed to go get the cash, and returned to tell my wife and son what happened, then got the cash from an ATM and returned with it.  Partner #2 was delighted with my honesty and said any time in the future I needed a van again, I would certainly be treated right at his agency.

Then I returned to the city for the third time where my son was waiting to tell me that it wasn't possible that I could have caused the dent from what he saw, and he was behind the van each and every time I backed it.  We returned to the hedge and measured its height and it was lower than the dent.  We also probed the hedge for hard branches that might cause a dent, and there were none, nor were there any broken off and lying in the hedge.

Then we went back to the agency and as we approached, saw Partner #2 having a cigarette and glowering at us.  I said I wasn't there to get my money back, because I had agreed our deal, but to tell him that it was impossible I had caused the dent.  He interrupted, angry, and said I was accusing him of lying.  As you can imagine, this quickly degenerated into a shouting match with my son looking on in dismay.  Eventually, Partner #1 came out to see what all the fuss was.  He supported his partner 100 percent, and I eventually gave up yelling and stalked away.

Reconstructing events in my mind, I think what happened is that the van was returned by the renter previous to me, who had taken it to another county, and he probably caused the dent, and said nothing when he returned the van.  The returned van was probably not inspected carefully by Partner #1, who signed it out to me, within roughly one hour of it being returned by the previous renter.

After I returned the van with no one present, Partner #2, on his return, gave the van a careful inspection, saw the dent and the leaves and reasonably assumed I had caused the dent.  I'd say Partner #1 realized that he had not done an inspection, but kept that to himself rather than admit his error and see his agency out the money for the repair.

An Irishman I know heard my story of all this and said this is what typically happens in Ireland:  an agency like this is always getting vehicles back with damage, and the Irish renter who did the damage and knows he caused it, will almost always say nothing about the damage, or will lie and deny any responsibility and simply walk away.  When someone like me comes along, the agency, knowing it has a damaged vehicle, will say nothing if the new renter accepts the vehicle, but point-out the damage, wail and rend garments when it is brought back, and an honest renter (such as my good self) will pay for the damage even though he is fairly sure he is innocent.

To say it again:  beware when renting a vehicle in Ireland, especially when you are tired and perhaps just arriving after an exhausting flight.  Go over the vehicle with a fine-tooth comb.  Get the agency to initial every indication of any kind of damage at all, check the windows for dings or cracks, and even check the tires (including the spare) and ask for an undercarriage inspection (that will be a tough one to get done, but it doesnt hurt to try).  Then start the engine and ask the agent to drive you around a little to listen for suspicious noises.  There may be lots of exaggerated eye-rolling, but when the car is returned, that same agency will have absolutely no mercy on you.  Rip-off Ireland is alive and well.



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I was overcharged hundreds of dollars and disputed the charges. My credit card company returned the check to me and the Irish auto company stopped calling me...it's been two years and I think they haven't come back for it. Good luck to all!!!

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Tom,

Unfortunately there are those out there who will always try to take advantage. Sounds like you ran into a prime example. Maggie and Bit also were overcharged by car companies. I don't think Bit ever got it straightened out.

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Nope, never did...I ended up paying almost 1200 dollars for a sub-compact when it was all said and done. That was for twelve days. I have rented a people mover for three weeks and paid only slightly more than that, several times.

To say that I am highly disenchanted with the Irish Auto Rental Mob would be a gross understatement.

I would love to find someone who could front the money for me to set up a Car rental company in Ireland. I even have my motto "No Gimmees, No Gotchas, Just Get in & Go" blankstare

They sorely need to have a regulatory committee that oversees the Car rental industry in Ireland. What they have now borders on criminal.



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High five to CowboyCraic! It's so true.

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We've rented with Dan Dooley each time we've travelled. We pre-pay the amount, and know exactly what the charges are upfront. The other thing we like about them is we always plan on Keith being the only driver, but "in case of emergency" they will make a photocopy of my drivers license and keep it on file. If we have an emergency, all we have to do is call them and they will add me to the rental agreement so I can also drive. This gives us the option without having to pay for me to never drive!

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That is a good tip about an emergency driver. Thanks!

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When renting a car in Ireland we always take a photo of all sides of the car at the rental site showing the background where it is parked at the rental site. When we return the car we do the same, especially if we return it after hours and drop the key at the drop box. That way, there is no question about about damage to the car exterior. Don't know if this helps because we never had a problem, but it doesn't hurt to be cautious.

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There is an Internet site which discusses a present shortage of rental cars in Ireland that is expected to badly impact Irish tourism this summer. A table in the report finds that an average American couple would find themselves paying 51 to 196 percent more for a car in Ireland than in the cheapest of three other European destinations (Denmark, Scotland and France).

The report is at
http://www.itic.ie/fileadmin/docs/ITIC-Car_Rental_Fleet_Shortage_and_Tourism.pdf

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Interesting study. They mentioned over and over their "reputation" concerning rental cars. What reputation? Tourists in the know realize that Ireland does not have a good reputation when it comes to renting cars. But tourist's complaints fall on deaf ears.

Michele

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Judy,

Another excellent tip for everyone.

Michele

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