According to the published reportstourism to Ireland so far this year is down over 23%. But the people in charge of Tourism in Ireland know what the real problem is. See quote below from Tourism Minister Mary Hanafin.
On the question of value for money, Ms Hanafin said that accommodation prices had “never been cheaper” and that this was certainly attracting tourists.
Access to Ireland in terms of flights was also very cheap, she said.
She said, however, the main concern from a tourist point of view was the cost of “incidentals”, such as cups of coffee.
You too, have a wicked sense of humor! I liked the ostrich! But it is spot on....hits the nail on the head. Now, what can the average tourist do to let these knuckleheads know what the REAL concern is? Dan
I hope I didn't go too far with the elephant picture. I just couldn't resist! I can always delete it.
I don't think Tourism Ireland or the powers that be are really interested in the car rental problem. A colleague of mine has it straight from the horse's mouth that car rental companies, tour operators and hotels are "major stakeholders" in Tourism Ireland. You don't cut off the hand that feeds you.
Tourism Ireland exists to publicize Ireland. They do not exist to cater to tourists' needs. Their relationship with car rental companies is more important to them than any percentage of tourists. It is a reality that stinks. It is a hard concept to accept.
It is my belief that only LOTS of publicity in the press, newspapers, Blogs, magazines, TV, radio, etc. will garner their attention. Otherwise there is no reason for the ostrich to raise its head from the sand. It is very comfy and familiar down there.
Michele
-- Edited by Michele Erdvig on Monday 9th of August 2010 05:47:50 PM
I must have been on your websight when you were just posting this, because I only saw the picture of the ostrich, and not the elephant. I saw the caption about the elephant in the house, but no picture. Now that I see the picture of the elephant there, it is even funnier! I personally don't think you went too far....Hang in there and maybe eventually we can get some results to help the situation long term.
I did go on the car rental web sights in the past 2 days, and I got that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach...just thinking about what we went through last year, and now....here we go again. It looks like the quotes are coming in at about $700 for 12 days, including CDW, but not including super CDW. Without CDW I found some in the $300 range. I am tempted to go the World Master Card route again, when I see the price differences. We'll see. It will probably depend on if my friend wants to be on as an extra driver. Then we would probably buy the full insurance, because it could get messy in case of an accident, unless we both had World Master cards on file with the rental car company. I don't think they have a WMC at the present time. I am conflicted about selecting a mid-size vrs. a full size car for 4 adults with 4 roller bags, and 4 carry-on bags. In 2006 we had a wagon/hatchback mid-size for 4 of us, and that much luggage fit fine, and we were comfortable. The only down side is that your luggage is in plain view, and there is no doubt that you are a tourist. I wonder if sedans with trunks (boots) would also hold that much luggage? Any thoughts? Dan
Glad you like my sense of humor. I was astounded when I read the line about cups of coffee! What kind of survey is Tourism Ireland doing? I can buy 300 cappucchinos in Ireland before it even approaches the car rental concern. And I don't have to insure them!!
Concerning coffee, we are in the Espresso business here in a Pacific Coast tourist resort town. Our espresso sales declined by about 70% right before and during the recession. The $3-4 latte was the first thing that tourists (and locals) were willing to give up, when gas hit $4.60/gal here in Washington. (We should have been in the beer and cig. business...I here that they are more recession-proof!)
I heard on the radio recently, that the 3 top coffee consumption cities are Seattle, Vegas, and Portland, and May of 2010 was the FIRST time that per capita consumption of coffee showed a slight increase in nearly 3 years.
So Tourism Ireland's feeble coffee comment is just the tip of the iceberg. Coffee is not the only factor in 23% lower tourism.... probably just the most visible one.
We also offered food at our establishment, and we suddenly noticed more people using brown-bags for lunch, and the deli at the local groc store did a huge business--since "fine dining" and eating out decreased as well. Of course we did lunch in Ireland that way too, not because of budget, but because of the huge Irish breakfasts!
We recently expanded our menu to include "fish and chips" and that has gone over very good. We were really impressed with the fish and chips in Ireland, and that was partly responsible for the decision to try our new venture. We had an Irish customer thru a few weeks ago and she said in a very thick Irish accent: "What a novel idea....a drive-thru chipper!"
Just out of curiosity, do the Irish pay a lot for car insurance? If they do, that explains why the car companies charge so much. If they pay like we do in the US, then why dont we form a company in Ireland, buy a car, that way we can all use our own company car in Ireland? We can all be on the board of directors and take separate business trip over there to check up on our company.
I think I like Judy's idea....We could call it Ireland Irregular Car Rental...
The irregularity would be in the fair and consistent rental rates...and free cups of coffee ...we would offer our clientele
Yes indeed...I think it could work...LOL
And Michele, mo chara...spot on with the elephant & ostrich...I knew I loved ya for a reason, me girl!
I am wondering if a mail blitz to Ms Hanifin from disgruntled tourists would get her attention? Probably not...this as been an ongoing problem for quite some time and nobody wants to truly address the issue at hand.
People fully expect to pay more for food and beverages when they travel....lodging, as well in some places.
Insurance is expensive in Ireland - but so is everything else. They are highly taxed on everything. I was discussing buying a car with some friends in Ireland. Evidently in order for an individual to get insurance they need to have an Irish driver's license. Getting one is a long involved process. The names of the people covered are on the policy. The more people, the higher the cost.
However, car rental companies are insuring whole fleets of cars. I am sure they get discounts from the insurance companies. They must have deals with them. They probably completely pay off the insurance cost per car with a couple of rentals. And do you really think that each time a car is returned with scratches or a dent or some other damage that does not impact the safety of driving it, that it is repaired? How many times have you gotten a car like that? Yet after each such incident the renter is charged for that damage if they have declined CDW. Their credit card is paying for it. I wonder if the credit card company follows up to be sure the damage was actually fixed. Don't think so!
We would just be happy with equality in the car rental biz. Make them all have the same rules. Tell us all the costs up front. Stop "nickle and diming" us to death at the car counter on arrival when we are groggy with jet-lag. Stop slipping in charges we don't want or ask for. Explain everything so we don't need to be Philadelphia lawyers to understand the rules.
As for Tourism Ireland I think Minister Hanifin's comment evocatively sums up their concern about tourists. What a lamebrained comment!! Maybe she didn't have her cup of coffee that morning.
Ryanair's take on Tourism Ireland is pretty funny:
"Ryanair said that the membership of this quango, which comprises the usual useless nominees from ITIC (Irish Tourism Idiots Collective),semi-state bureaucrats as well as the now traditional clueless civil servants from the Department of Tourism, Culture and Sport, wouldn’t recognise a tourism industry recovery if it exploded all over the tea and biscuits at their useless high level meetings."
Okay...Having read the article again, I found it too difficult to just ignore the incredible naivete.
I composed an email to Hanafin and BC'd you, Michele. I know that it won't do any good. I am just one voice. However her website does encouragement email contact over ANY concern someone might have. She conveniently offers her email address, as well, maryhanafin@tcs.gov.ie.
I shant hold my breathe for any kind of reply other than a form letter similar to the one which I received from the Car Rental Council. I just wanted to offer my
Slan agus Barrogs,
Bit
PS ~ I am not often in agreement with RYANAIR but their assessment seems to be spot on this time.
-- Edited by CowboyCraic on Wednesday 11th of August 2010 06:24:55 PM
Thanks for sending me the letter. Very good. At least you vented about the problem. Sometimes just doing that is good.
How about bombarding the Irish newspaper editorals with letters? Who is higher than Hanafin? Write the Taoiseach? http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/ Bombard all the minsiters with letters?
Maybe the only way this will ever be resolved is if the EU makes all member countries have the same rules. http://www.eurunion.org/eu/
Dan,
I like the idea of the drive-thru chipper. Good thinking.
I actually received a nice reply back from her excutive assistant. He thanked me for sharing my voice and said that he would walk the letter over to Ms. Hanafin.
Of course, who knows what she will do with it at that point. At least someone read the letter. Perhaps other emails should be sent. They can ignore one..but they can't ignore a dozen or so, all on the same subject.
Perhaps a rebuttal in the Irish Times might be in order, as well.
Now...how does one start a car rental company in Ireland?..... I think we could band together and make it work... ....
-- Edited by CowboyCraic on Thursday 12th of August 2010 12:58:10 PM
Okay - I did it! I sent Minister Hanafin a letter about the car rental problem. They can't claim they don't know about it.
Subject: Ireland Car Rental Companies: Driving Us CRAZY!
Dear Minister Hanafin,
I was astounded to read in the Irish Times on August 7, 2010 your assessment of the biggest problem in Irish tourism from a tourist’s point of view. It reads:
“She said, however, the main concern from a tourist point of view was the cost of “incidentals”, such as cups of coffee.”
I don’t know who is supplying you with statistics but they are completely off base when it comes to knowing what tourists’ concerns are. I have been involved with tourism to Ireland for over 37 years. As an Irish-American specializing in travel to Ireland I deal with tourists who are visiting Ireland day in, day out. As the author of a guidebook about Ireland and as an Ireland trip planner, I visit Ireland at least twice a year for a month or more at a time. I am subject to the same problems that any other tourist visiting Ireland is. I see things from two different viewpoints – that of a tourist and as someone who promotes Ireland and whose business revolves around Irish tourism.
I have my finger on the pulse of “real tourists” who are dealing with every aspect of planning their trips – from airfare to lodgings to sightseeing to food to transportation. Whatever survey supplied the info used in your assessment of tourism’s biggest problem is complete lunacy.
Every single one of my clients, my readers and my forum members agrees that the biggest problem for tourists visiting Ireland is renting a car. They often refer to it as a "nightmare". It is not just the tourists that I deal with personally that report such problems. The Internet is rife with horror stories of ripped off tourists, problems with car rentals, overcharging, arcane rules, etc. The list goes on and on.
Renting a car in Ireland is the biggest concern and absolute worst part of planning a trip to Ireland. Now it is getting worse by the moment.
The only sector of Irish tourism that I notice is not responding to the current economy are the car rental companies. Their rates seem to have doubled or tripled since last year. (Yes, I am aware of the car shortage – but there is also a tourist shortage to even it out.)
Currently car rental companies are very cleverly stopping American and Canadian tourists from using their credit card insurance for CDW.
When tourists use their credit card insurance in Ireland and decline CDW it saves them a lot of money. Depending on the company, CDW and Super CDW can double or triple the price of a car rental. It is no wonder that tourists spend a lot of time shopping for the one credit card that will actually still cover them in Ireland. (Ireland is one of the few countries in the world where most credit cards refuse to cover tourists car rental insurance.) However, informed tourists know that some World MasterCards in the USA and some Visa cards in Canada will cover CDW.
Recently car rental companies have slipped new rules into their "fine print". I had a very rude awakening in April 2009 when I rented from Budget. Between the time I reserved the car and picked it up at Dublin Airport new "rules" had been implemented. Even though Budget allowed me to use my World MasterCard to decline CDW they insisted that I be charged a 2,000 euro deposit plus 25 euro and VAT. Despite being an expert on travel to Ireland, Budget caught me off-guard with this one!
Formerly, car rental companies put a "hold" on credit cards. This meant that a certain amount was blocked on the credit card but an actual charge was not made. Since Budget actually "charged" me and since I was in Ireland for close to a month, I had to pay my credit card bill during that time period and pay the 2,000 plus extras. Since the car was returned undamaged I was credited back the 2,000 (but not the 25 euro plus VAT) at the end of my rental.
Now other car rental companies are jumping on the "Rip-off the Tourists" bandwagon. They are making it impossible to decline CDW by adding outrageous deposit charges to their fine print. Deposits for declining CDW go from 2,000 euro up to 15,000 euro and even more. Many people don't even have credit limits that high. Since tourists cannot afford those charges it forces them to pay for CDW. These charges did not exist two years ago.
Why now? Do the car companies need the extra money they make from insurance to see them through the bad economy? To me it seems that they are finding a very clever way to eliminate credit card coverage of CDW. Do they still accept it? Yes. But they are making it impossible for the average tourist to use by insisting on outrageously high "deposits".
Lest you think that this is an isolated incident and that tourists are not concerned about this matter I invite you to look at various forums all over the Internet. Tourists today are savvy and know about what is happening. They are not happy. Some are even wondering whether they should visit Ireland or go elsewhere.
This quote from Fodor's is especially interesting: "Car Hire is the bane of Irish Tourism -- what I refer to as "Kissing the Frog" -- as in, 'If you kiss a frog, first thing in the morning, nothing WORSE can happen for the rest of the day.' It is my sincere hope that the Irish government will establish smple, staight-forward guidelines to properly regulate the Car Hire Industry before the manage to alienate and lose their lucrative tourism appeal." http://www.fodors.com/community/europe/questions-for-those-whove-used-autoeurope-and-world-mc-in-ireland.cfm
There are many other discussions of car rentals if you use the search boxes on various forums or google. But perhaps the “ostrich with its head in the sand” approach works best for Tourism Ireland.
I invite Tourism Ireland to spend some time observing people arriving off flights at car rental desks. Tourists are shell-shocked when they find out the extra charges. There is outrage, loud discussions and finally resignation as tourists realize that in order to drive a car in Ireland they will pay through the nose and be ripped-off for charges they never expected. Even experienced travelers are now being surprised.
This quote from an experienced multi-trip tourist to Ireland concerning car rentals is telling: "In my opinion everthing else is 'Bait and Switch', deceptive smoke and mirrors, used to 'milk' the typically exhausted, disoriented and nervous tourist for extra profit after they've lured them in with low-balled rental quotes."
For decades it has been a free-for-all for Irish car rental companies. It is long past time for them to be regulated by Ireland. They should all follow the same rules. They should not be allowed to rip-off tourists and thus chase people away from visiting Ireland. Change is definitely needed. The Irish car rental industry needs regulation.
I realize that this letter is a total waste of my time and yours. But I at least owe it to my readers and clients to address the problem. I can tell them that the tourism authorities have been informed. And when they ask me why nothing has been done I will let them know that the car rental companies are major stakeholders in Tourism Ireland.
If they have a complaint they can write letters to you or the Car Rental Council and they will get a nice letter in return. But they will not be helped. I do not think things will change in my lifetime. Perhaps only if the EU gets involved and makes all member nations abide by the same rules, will changes take place.
In conclusion “cups of coffee” as tourists’ main concern is utterly ridiculous. Let’s get real! Renting a car in Ireland is the biggest challenge a tourist faces.
Bravo, Michelle! Thank you for always being our advocate and expressing so well our frustrations with the Irish car rental industry. Now I hope they take your words to heart.
Who cares about the cost of coffee when all your money went to the car rental anyway?
I followed up my letter to the Minister of Tourism with a shorter, more succinct letter to the Editor of the Irish Times.
Like you, I believe that it will fall on deaf ears. However, if enough of us shout out long and loud...perhaps they might hear a wee bit of something we are saying.
I will be playing the shell game again next June, as I will need a rental car after the tour is complete. I am already dreading it and I am ten months out!