First, thank you to all who offered assistance when I first started exploring this trip. I have spent hours reading through the various postings, and have pruned our expectations. First, I'd like to ask whether it is possible to travel in the areas we're planning without advance reservations (to maximize our flexibility). While we wanted to stay in quaint cottages, most appear to be only for week-long rentals, so we're generally favoring smaller, private B&Bs [I agree with the postings on etiquette!]. Will we need to have a list in advance for each potential spot, or do the B&Bs have signage?
Then, I'd like to outline our itinerary, and ask whether this appears reasonable. As a rule, we are extremely time-efficient (can get a lot covered in depth, but quickly).
We would fly directly into Cork, and already have a car reserved (thanks all for your help) [yes, I have the CDW waiver in writing from my World MC]
Cork (Land and depart)
N-71 Route
Clonakilty (1 night)
Drombeg Stone Circle
Bantry
Bantry House (Gardens)
Glengariff (1 night)
GarinishIsland(Ilnacullin -ExoticGarden)
Possible drive of BereaPeninsula? (Walking opportunities?)
Ring of Kerry (2 nights)
Kenmare (Begin Ring of Kerry?) Drive clockwise against busses?
Killarney
Lakes of Killarney
Dingle Penninsula (2 nights?)
Drive Dingle Ring
Gallarus Oratory
Oldest Christian Church inIreland
West Ireland
Shannon Area ( 2 nights)
Holy Cross Abbey (Cashel)
BunrattyCastleandFolkPark
Craggaunowen (Typical early homestead re-enactment) Before Ennis
Cliffs of Moher (South ofGalway)
Doolin (Music Shop)
The Burren (Rock Formations) (Possible hiking?)
GlinCastle(Now a hotel)
Galway(Ashford Castle a Possibility for overnight?) (1 night)
TourGalwayCrystalHeritageCenter?
Drive using Rt. 336 Explore Spiddal, look for small shops
Clifden
Pubs
Little Craft shops
Horse riding
ConnemaraNational Park (1-2 nights)
Kylemore Abbey
Westport(Pubs)
Croagh Patrick Mtn. (Irelands Holy Mtn)North Westof Galway
Northwest
Sligo(Ruggen lands)
Ballyshannon (Olderst town inIreland) (great views)
Donegal
LochEsteCastle(1 night)
Southeast (outside of Dublin) (2 nights)
Castletown House
Powerscourt
WicklowMountains
Leaves 1 night not accounted for
I would appreciate your thoughts, and thank you in advance.
Are you spending 2 nights on the ROK? Where? It might be better to stay 2 nights in Kenmare. From there you can do ROK and Beara.
I don't think I would go out of my way for Holy Cross Abbey north of Cashel. It is out of your line of travel from Dingle to Shannon area. Where are you staying in that area? Bunratty? Ennis? Doolin?
Glin Castle is no longer open. It is now a private home. Cross it off your list.
Galway Crystal has a shop but no longer does tours of the crystal factory. Unless you just want to shop you can cross that off your list. The crystal itself is available in shops all over Ireland.
If you want to stay at Ashford Castle (just over the border in Co. Mayo) then you should plan to spend most of your day there to take in the whole experience. I also suggest making advance reservations so you are not disappointed. At the castle is fishing, golf, falconry and a boat cruise on the lake. Also Cong Woods and the village.
Were you planning on climbing Croagh Patrick? If so, plan on it taking up most of your day.
I don't know that Ballyshannon is the oldest town in Ireland and it is not really that interesting. There are plenty of other places in Ireland that make such claims. I also would not go all the way up to Sligo and Donegal for one night.
You mention departing from Cork also. Do you need to spend a night near Cork at the end of your trip? If so, that is where the extra day would be.
Thank you Michelle. You offer extremely valuable insight. I had read that we should allow at least two days for the ROK. Do you suggest that we plan a total of only 3 nights for ROK, Berea, and Dingle? (I had 4) We probably will not climb Croagh Patrick, as we must pack light, therefore without our hiking boots. We enjoy strolls through the woods more than mountain climbing, but want to at least see it, as it is a spiritually significant place We have not made any advance lodging reservations (or plans) yet - I think that if we decide to stay at Ashford or Este, we definitely will make reservations. From the little bit of research I've completed, I'm leaning more towards staying at Ballynahinch (perhaps less pretentious, and we're very interested in the Connamara region for its natural beauty). Your suggestion about Sligo prompted us to read a little more. Originally we had been drawn because it was listed as a center for traditional Irish music, but we should be able to find that in some of the other places. We are actually departing from Dublin (which is why we're ending our stay there). There was very little cost difference in the split arrival / departure, and our international flight home is from Dublin. Our 4 bigest priorities for Ireland are to see the historic side (castles and history), experience the landscape and beauty (with social hiking), experience the music, and relax. We will try to find places to stop for tea, visit with people as often as possible, but avoid in-depth discussions of global politics or economics.
Most people just do the ROK as a day trip drive. However, if you want to explore in depth then do take your two days for it. Perhaps you are interested in seeing Skellig Michael? There are some beautiful off-the-beaten-path beaches, lakes, etc. to visit. I recommend Brookhaven in Waterville. Some other places to look at are Fogher Cliffs on Valentia Island, Skellig Ring drive, Staigue Fort, Ballinskelligs, Derrynane House, Gardens & National Park, Derrynane Beach, Abbey Island (low tide).
Ballynahinch is a nice old fishing lodge. Much less pretentious than Ashford Castle. Although I have recently learned that they no longer require fancy dress or a suit and tie for men at the restaurants at Ashford. Just business casual. Most people don't want to carry the extra "stuff" in their luggage for one night's dining. I think the management at the castle finally deduced that.
For walks on the Beara Peninsula I recommend Derreen Gardens (woodlands not cultivated gardens) and Gleninchiquin Park.
I would stick with 2 nights in Dingle.
Were you planning on any time in Killarney? There are lovely walks through KNP and Ross Castle. But perhaps you are bypassing it to get to Dingle from ROK?
Be sure to look at my "Hot Offers" section of the forum for discounts at various places all over Ireland.
You're wonderful! God Bless you!. Yes, I know that Killarney is en route, and that we were going to spend some time there. Based on the time and weather, I may detour from Dingle to Shannon to try a round of golf at Ballybunion. (I've had considerable experience driving around the world (left and right side), and think nothing of spending an hour or two in a vehicle to get to somewhere memorable. During early June, sunrise should be around 05:15, with sunset around 21:30, which provides us a lot of time for experiencing the country (and still enjoy some evenings since we don't need too much sleep.) I'm trusting that we'll be able to locate B&Bs without advance notice, so I didn't want to make rigid plans. Taking your suggestions, we cut off the Sligo piece, and from Westport will drop down to Cong (village and forest), and stop in the Hollymount area to have tea with a friend's sister and her family. Our return to Dublin will go through Mid-country, and rather than hurrying on the motorway, I'm looking at going through Roscommon, Longford and Mullingar. This gives us the leisure of a little more time, possibly to drop down and enjoy the Wicklow mountains south of Dublin. It's unfortunate that both Waterford and Galway have stopped giving tours (I understand Waterford isn't even being made in Ireland any more - such a shame). Thank you for your tips, and I will definitely check out your hot offers prior to our leaving. Again, thank you.
Good news. Waterford has reopened! It is in a new location on the Mall in Waterford City. Now called the House of Waterford Crystal, they are still making Irish crystal and giving tours of the factory. Some pieces are now made outside of Ireland such as Germany, Romania, and other European countries.
Our friend Corey has a tour of the new factory on YouTube:
As for Ballybunion, that is a long day trip from Dingle. Also, you usually need to book tee times in advance. It is a very popular place to golf. If you stay in Waterville you will be right near an excellent golf course there.
As for "winging it" with regard to lodgings, weekends (Fri/Sat nights) can fill up especially in popular places in June. The first Monday in June is a Bank Holiday. That means June 3-6 is a long holiday weekend. Definitely need reservations for that.
It would be a good idea to have a list of lodgings that interest you for each area. See my lodgings page (or my book for many more).
Greetings We're finalizing our arrangements, trying to remain flexible. Thanks for the alert on the long holiday weekend of 3,4,5 June: We did book following your suggestions; and used your name as referee (The Lodge in Kenmare, and Friar's Glen in Killarney). I am perplexed about Ballynahinch. I wrote (before seeing that you had a link on your page), and was given a significantly different and higher price than is shown through your link. Is this normal? Do you have alternative castle stays (one or two nights) that you might suggest? Do you know any small cottages in the Dingle, Connamara, or mid-way back to Dublin that might be available for a couple of nights? All the cottages I've found are full week rentals only. Thank you so much.
I have a direct link to Ballynahinch's website on my Lodgings page. Since I have nothing to do with the hotel or pricing you will have to ask them about that. Email them with what is on their website and question them.
BTW, Ballynahinch is not a castle hotel. It is an old fishing lodge. Take a look at my Castle Hotels page for castle listings. Keep in mind that page is just a listing. I don't necessariy recommend each and every place listed there.
Some castles I like are Smarmore, Kilronan, Ashford, Dromoland, Ballyseede & Waterford. I stayed at Kilronan recently and WOW! I liked it.
Have you looked at my Self-catering Page? What area are you looking at for a cottage? Most rent for a week in season.
Last September we stayed in Kenmare (Abby Inn I think it was) and drove ROK one day and Beara the next. Definitely see Gleninchiquin, and the Ardgroom stone circle nearby. There are trails around the waterfall at Gleninchiquin. On the way back to Kenmare we ate at the Rainbow restaurant in Glengariff. You will need more than a day if you want to take the boat out to the Skeligs, weather permitting.
Thank you both (Tony and Chaika). We're not planning on taking to boat to the Skeligs. I'm also trying to reseach other castle possibilities. What is the possibility of finding B&Bs en route - or will we have to have a list and a phone to call from the road? (In many parts of the world, they hang a shingle ...) Thanks again for the help and support
When I was at Ballynahinch Castle Hotel I asked them if it was a "castle". The answer was no. It is a Victorian mansion and fishing lodge. If others think it is a castle that is fine. I have no problem with that. It does have crenellations so maybe that makes all the difference. But Bunratty Castle Mews has crenellations too.
Hi Michelle Thanks as always for your help. Since In don't want to be tied to "this day" have to be in "xxxx," I didnt want to pre-book except for your gratefully accepted notification about the bank holiday. Is the cnoc suain worth spending some time at? Also, how do we find which pubs, which nights have music? We're not really "pub" people, but definitely will visit some for the ambiance and hopefully Irish music. I've gotten a list of places that may have some social dancing (understand tea dances are somewhat popular there). We're starting to count down, and looking forward to our trip.
First, I apologize that it has taken so long to post our experiences. Second, a heartfelt Thank you to Michelle and all who gave us ideas and helped us plan. It was an excellent trip, although the weather was less than warm and friendly (we weren't traveling for good weather, Thank God!)
Quick overview: the tips we got from Michelle and this site helped us immensely. Ireland has changed. The unfortunate consequence of the Irish Tiger has been that the worst aspects of capitalism are now entrenched (exploitation of the customer), and to a great extent, the warmth and hospitality that I've experienced in the past is not offered to the stranger, and certainly not evidenced in the cities. We did find warm and wonderful people in the outlying areas. We flew into Cork, rented a car, and after touring for a little over two weeks, departed from Dublin.
The GREAT:
The ease with which we could touch history; whether in our drives (we drove the Berea [which was our favorite. even though we were not at the right time for catching the gondola out to the island], Dingle and Kerry Rings), or our many long walks.
Gougane Barra (over the Pass of Keimaneigh) and Glendalough (St. Kevin's Monestary in the Wicklow Mountains) were magnificent spiritual retreats with phenomenal walking.
Cnoc Suain, outside of An Spiddeal; We rented a traditional Irish cottage, and loved it. Charlie and Dearbhail are charming and a veritable fountain of knowledge on Irish customs, Gaelic language and music. We spent 3 magnificent days with them, learning history, traditions (my wife even got to cut bog and make a Bridget's cross), speaking with farmers, etc.. We attended Pentacost Celebration mass in Gaelic (in An Spiddeal), along with hundreds of Irish teens (well dressed, very well mannered) who were there as part of their learning Gaelic. Can't say enough good about Cnoc Suain and the people!
Kylemore Abbey: Serene place immersed in history, wih a lovely Victorian / Gothic chapel, and one of the best walled gardens in Europe.
Poulnabrone Dolmen (Portal tomb from approximately 2,000 BC),and the various stone structures (e.g., Dromberg, Staigue Fort)
Golf at "Dooks" (outside of Killarney). Lovely, challenging golf course with one hole more picturesque than the next.
Kilronan Castle, in Roscommon county. This was the highlight of our trip. We spent our anniversary there (3 days, 2 nights), and were pampered. All of the people we interacted with were warm, friendly and helpful. The food was exceptional, the grounds magnificent (we walked into town, walked around the lake, swam in their indoor pool, and just luxuriated) Michelle was right on spot with this recommendation!
Driving was GREAT, and the only way to go. Yes, some of the roads are "tight." I took my time, being careful of tour busses (everyone was right, they do not move or yield right-of-way). Yes, signage is virtually non-exstant. On the other hand, we used the Garmin UK/Ireland map on our GPS, and were able to navigate without any problems. We only covered the south west and central areas of Ireland, yet put on over 3200 KM without any challenges (including navigating Dublin). We were told by some that we saw parts of Ireland that they hadn't: and they lived their entire lives in Ireland.
The chance to visit and have lengthy chats with locals; whether a sheep farmer by Torc Falls, Bog farmers by Gleninach and in An Spiddeal.
The GOOD:
Bunratty Castle and Folk Park was very nice: the opportunity of going througha 16th century castle (with period furnishing) was enjoyable, especially the village. The same for Craggaunowern, which is a bronze age (1,000 - 1,500 BC).
Gleninchiquin Park: Very nice setting in the hills, with various options for walks, we took the long route, and enjoyed it, especially the old thatched cottage.
Muckross House and traditional farm. Not only is the house well restored, but the period furniture and outbuildings provide a good feel for what life was like.
The Arigna mine; having insight into Irish coal mining and what the miners endured. It was an informative and interesting tour.
The availability of good walking (we prefer walking to pubbing)
The Dissapointing: (in some cases, more than dissapointing)
Murray for automobile rental: Murray was recommended - this was the single worst advice I followed. I strongly suggest that everyone pay more, but work with a firm that has integrity. We lost 3 hours because they did not have the promised auto, then they gave us an old auto (with 140,000KM with mechanical and suspension problems. To add insult to injury, one month after we returned, they attempted charging our card for more monies. Fortunately, I had enough documentation to identify their attempted activity as being fraudulent.
Don't get sick in Ireland, or if you think you might, take your antibiotics with you. I got a respiratory infection while in Kenmare. I did get a referral to the doctor, but it was extremely costly (four times what it cost to have my wife treated in Scotland).
Ashford Castle; we intended staying there, but were disturbed by the combination of haughtiness and lack of warm hospitality. We chose not to stay there, even though the facility and grounds are excellent.
Dublin: We stayed at Trinity College, which was OK, but certainly not as welcoming as they were previously. We enjoy visiting churches and cathedrals, and were disappointing that you cannot visit either Christchurch Cathedral or St. Patrick's Cathedral without paying; we've only seen this practice in Eastern European countries.
In general, the food: We tried, really, to get soups: everyone has "vegetable" soup (which means whatever they had left over), and occasionally we'd get lentile soup; but the soups were bland. We tried repeatedly to get Irish Stew (with Lamb), to no avail. (The only truly good food we had while in Ireland was at the Kilronan Castle). The food elsewhere was pallatable, but certainly not commensurate with the prices.
In spite of our best attempts, we were unable to coordinate any possibilities for dancing. Apparently, dancing is popular in Ireland during the winter months.
Lodgings we recommend highly:
Willow Lodge in Kenmare: Gretta and Paul are warm, hospitable and wonderful. Accommodations, food and hospitality are top notch; as is Paul's sense of humor
Friar's B&B, outside of Muckross, by Killarney: Mary and John are welcoming, accomodations food and hospitality are top notch, and the grounds are wonderful: great place if you like the rural setting. We were there during the motorcycle gathering in Killarney and it was nice to have the peace and quiet.
Kilronan Castle, in Roscommon County. It's reasonably priced, and wonderful!
Again, thank you all for helpiing make this trip wonderful - (Final editing, we have 756 photos in our slide show)