Glad to hear you are making progress. I think this post must be a record!
The route I would take is not the most scenic. It cuts across inland and avoids Cork. The most pleasant and scenic route is the coastal route - Waterford, Tramore, Dungarvan, Cork - but it will take much longer. Then once you reach Cork you have to decide on going directly to Kenmare on the main road or another scenic coastal route.
Conclusion: Scenic & pleasant = looong driving days
Since you know you won't see it all, I would just bite the bullet and take the quickest route. Stop in various towns for a walk around and maybe an ice cream cone! You could visit Annes Grove Garden on the way.
If you pull up the map I posted I sent you to Kinsale via Waterford thinking that Waterford would be a good stop off for the new Glass displays and a bit of lunch? Then along the coast road by Dungarvan and Yougal maybe a look in at the Jamesons Distillery in Middleton and Down to Cobh for the night. I love Cobh its a wonderful working town with real genuine Irish people a couple of good museums and an amassing Cathedral. Your significant other will be more than happy with Fota house gardens and Blarney Castle gardens before you head to Kenmare on the main road N22.
The scenic route to Kenmare would follow the coast and take in Beara and the Sheepshead peninsula's but you will have time to do these from Kenmare if you chose. Taking the direct route gives you time to have a look around Cobh and Fota/Blarney.
If you do want to break up the drive with an overnight you could do as Tony suggests. The gardens at Fota are glorious in the spring with wisteria everywhere. I haven't been there in Sept but I'm sure there are other plants blooming at that time of year. I also liked Barryscourt Castle. Check opening times for the castle as it is not open all year.
The Queenstown Story immigration museum in Cobh is worthwhile and St. Colman's Cathedral is lovely, although a hike up the hill. It was the last landmark many immigrants saw as they were departing Ireland forever. The Watersedge Hotel is nice.
You could also take the ferry across the river to Kinsale for the night. I have found lots of nice places to stay there. But check to see where that slots into your itinerary as Kinsale is chock-a-block on weekends.
Now, given my history, it might be safely assumed that I would disagree -- but, in THIS case, I do NOT.
Ireland is FILLED with many locations that are great places to STAY, and many MORE, that are great places to visit.
Think of the difference like this: Great places to stay, need to be sipped slowly, and savoured, like a fine wine -- where as, great places to visit are more akin to downing shots!
I absolutely think that Millstreet is perhaps the FINEST town in all of Ireland, but the route from Kilkenney to Kenmare via Millstreet is HARDLY the most scenic ... UNLESS you are willing to wander and meander. Recommending an over-night would do you AND Millstreet a GREAT dis-service.
Cobh, on the other hand -- while an interesting place to visit for the Cathedral, the Heritage Center and the Harbor views-- has never really 'Grabbed' me as a location for an over-night ...
Were I you ( as opposed to YOU being ME ), I would recommend an over-night outside of Cork City, since it's only for one night. That could mean Cobh, Kinsale or even Little Island ( the SAS Radisson Blu that I've stayed at the last two years). From Little Island, Cobh is just a short drive away, should you feel up to an additional excursion. Likewise, as mentioned, Fota Island is also nearby
Given your hip problem, long drives on meandering, slow and potentially rough surfaced, narrow roads means long hours in the car, with few opportunities to stop and stretch.. instead, drive the N9 down to Waterford and then pick up the N25 to Cork. Short and direct, on good roads that are wide enough to pull off (or, over!), should you need to stretch.
Hands down, the N71 through West Cork is truely a scenic delight, but it is LONG. AA Roadwatch suggests the N22 toward Killarney, turning off onto the R569 in Clonkeen at Poulgorm Bridge as shortest -- and there ARE some interesting stops along the way, BUT ...
My recommended route FOR YOU is to take the N71 to Bandon, then turn off onto the R586 and follow it through Dunmanway and Drimoleague to rejoin the N71 just outside of Bantry. THEN, merely continue via the N71 into Kenmare. It is NOT the MOST scenic route, but it does have SOME great sights -- Bantry Bay, Caha Pass and some rugged, West Cork areas.
Ultimately, HOW you go is going to be dependant upon HOW you FEEL, on the day. I've always claimed that I usually plan TWO trips before I go -- and then 'Pick-And-Choose' which plan to follow, as best suits, based on energy, interest, and the weather ...
Given YOUR penchance for Planning, that MIGHT be my BEST suggestion yet!
Bob
-- Edited by Itallian Chauffeur on Friday 22nd of April 2011 09:37:21 PM
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ItallianChauffeur: Oh my , what map do you use? I think it is better than my map! I have been using the aa web-site, which gives driving times between destinations along with a mini-map, plus my poor laminated map from the bookstore. In order to study the wonderful route choices you have detailed, I need a better map ASAP! What map do you recommend for route planning, and where can I order it?
Yes, you are right, with my tendency to add to my "itis" collection (bursitis, tendonitis. etc.) I need a shorter drive on a smoother road...with lots of chances to pull over, stop, and stretch. I'm aiming at a maximum of 2 1/2 hours of driving to get from 1 b&b "base" to the next b&b "base". That's why I'm trying to choose an overnight between Kilkenny and Kenmare.
Yes you are right I might have plan A and plan B... Plan A would be drive straight through from Kilkenny to Kenmare in one day. Plan B would be stop for an overnight near Cork (Cobh?) and break up the drive.
I am frustrated because according to my limited resources Kinsale is a much further drive from Kilkenny...and Cobh is a lot shorter from Kilkenny...but on the map they look so close...and I am confused by the ferry "short-cut" that is recommended...can't see how to look that up on aa. Again I need better resources for this transportation planning.
Whew! Deep breath. That was a long answer! I think I need to get a better map and use yellow highlighters.
Michele: I need more detailed maps for route planning. I have been using the aa website for driving times, and it only gives a mini-map of the route. I also have a laminated map that's inadequate. Where can I get a better map with more details for driving and route planning? Do you recommend a particular map?
Current Challenge: How to break up the drive from Kilkenny to Kenmare with a 1-night stop?
I cannot seem to figure out how the ferry crossing figures into the drive from Kilkenny to Kinsale. On the aa web-site if you check the driving time from Kilkenny to Kinsale, it doesn't mention a ferry crossing, and it seems so much longer than the drive from Kilkenny to Cobh. I must be doing something wrong.
Oh yes...unfortunately, if we break up the drive from Kilkenny to Kenmare with an overnight, it will be a 1-night overnight on Saturday night. You said Saturday night is very busy in Kinsale. Would Cobh be easier or better for a 1-night overnight on Saturday night? (Between Kilkenny and Kenmare.)
Bob has a lot of great info on route planning, but I need a better map and a highlighter to follow his route suggestions. (I'm a bit geographically challenged.)
Hi tony2phones: Wow I just realized you have posted some pins on maps and directions from Kilkenny to Cobh! Thanks! When it comes to geography and directions I'm a bit slow. Thanks! That helps! It takes a bit of time to sink in. (I do get lost in my own neighborhood sometimes. But yet I manage to plan great trips...with the help of all of you!)
Thanks for all your good advice. I don't have a good map right now. I have been using aa web-site for drive times. Geography doesn't stick in my mind too long. But I have an amazing memory for good food!
Current Challenge: How to get from Kilkenny to Kenmare, with daily drive times limited to a maximum of 2 1/2 hours per day?
So I'm considering an overnight in either Kinsale or Cobh, to break up the drive time between Kilkenny and Kenmare. But it will be a Saturday night overnight...maybe busy and crowded?
As you suggested, I'm thinking Cobh might be a good overnight between Kilkenny and Kenmare...and I would be able to drive via Waterford.
OK I think I just figured out why Kinsale seems so much further than Cobh. Here's why:
Drive time from Kilkenny to Cobh on scenic coastal route via Waterford, Dungarvan, and Youghal is 2 hrs. 22 min.
Drive time from Kilkenny to Kinsale via the more boring inland route is 2 hrs. 25 min.
Those drive times are from aa web-site and I don't know if that includes the shortcut ferry crossing or not? It doesn't say!
I'm not good at geography! I'm glad all of you are here to help!
-- Edited by Melissa5 on Saturday 23rd of April 2011 02:46:38 AM
The ferry would be only if traveling from Cobh to Kinsale.
The free map from Tourism Ireland isn't bad. However, I've called them 3 times since January and nothing has arrived yet. The Michelin map (Ireland only - not Britain and Ireland) from any bookstore. The Ordnance Survey Atlas. Just looked at their website and they seem to be out of them. You might find them from another source.
Michele: I have been thinking that maybe ItallianChauffeur is right when he says I should take the best, smoothest roads, with plenty of room to pull over or stop along the way...because that would be most comfortable for my hip. (And the whole rest of me as well! ) Bob suggested trying to avoid long drives on narrow rough roads as they might be hard on my hip and he is right...lately going over speed bumps has been unpleasant.
So...what would be the best, smoothest roads with plenty of room to pull over and stop...between Kilkenny and Kenmare? Perhaps I do need a Plan A and a Plan B.
Plan A: What is the smoothest drive between Kilkenny & Kenmare in 1 day, with plenty of stops to stretch my hip?
Plan B: What is the smoothest drive between Kilkenny & Kenmare, with a 1-night stopover in between to break up the drive? (and room to pull over and stop and stretch my hip along the way.)
THANKS a million for this geography help! Bob and tony2phones gave me good advice regarding driving routes, but if you could also give me your summary, the geography fog in my brain will clear up, I'm sure. (I have no sense of direction, and usually go the opposite of the way I am meant to go.)
My hip is healing...but I babysit my grandbaby a lot, and she is such a 24-pound blue-eyed sweetie, just under 2 years old...and just started walking this month...so I still have to lift her a lot...I seem to be a whimpy grandmother as lifting her a lot seems to be giving me more problems with my hips and back. I need a relaxing and healing vacation!
You can do Kilkenny to Kenmare in a road total of under 4 hours.
So Plan B
Leave Kilkenny and head to Cashel (1hour) the guided tour is included in the entrance fee of E6 this is about an hours stop. From Cashel to Cahir (25 minutes) for the Castle and possibly Swiss Cottage so say two hours. Another (2 hours) plus any stops (maybe take a look at Millstreet?) gets you to Killarney on the main road instead of cutting the corner. Coffee and cakes before the last leg (1/2 hour) to Kenmare. Just another normal 8hour day on some good roads. Not that there is anything wrong with 85% of the rest of the roads in Ireland.
Another of my creations using Google maps which let me move the route around to suit varying needs.
Mitchelin 712 Ireland used to be up on my wall when planning trips and an old AA map which is now out of print sits in the glovebox of the car with the compass. Don't think you will be doing any exploring of strange Bohereen to go to that extreem.
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Hi tony2phones: Thanks for all your map creations and for the time you put in to help me. When you said Kilkenny to Kinsale in under 4 hours...did you mean Kilkenny to Kenmare in under 4 hours? I was a little confused. (I'm easily confused when it comes to directions.)
If my hip is doing really well in Ireland, I can do a 4 hour drive in one day. But if I get problems with recurring bursitis (or any "itis"), then I will need to keep the drives to under 2 1/2 hours a day. Of course we will want to stop a lot and stretch our legs and enjoy exploring the nooks and crannies of Ireland!
What are strange "bohereen"? Secret roads? Sometimes I take a break and stay at our b&b, write some poetry, and take a walk into town...while my husband takes the car for a little adventure on his own. He might enjoy those strange "bohereen". Maybe I should look for those detailed maps you have?
Hi Michele: Thanks for the link to the ferry in County Cork on your web-site. I glanced at it and I will read more about it. I tend to get hooked on 1 web-site for route planning...and forget about the others! I keep forgetting you have a transportation section of your web-site! I will play with that.
I appreciate the other link you sent...with aa and google... It does give the option of selecting a route from Kilkenny to Kinsale via a ferry...now all I have to do is choose the right ferry! I guessed the Cobh ferry...and I glanced at the directions which were very funny, very Irish...as one of the steps said "turn onto an unnamed road". Ha Ha hee hee!
I have realized one of my challenges is I've had lots more time to plan previous trips. But I'm trying to plan this trip which far less computer time...due to my bursitis of the hip and due to babysitting an active grandbaby. So I look at a new link...then I don't get computer time...then I forget about the link!
That reminds me of a book title. I'll Get There It Better Be Worth The Trip.
Yes Kilkenny to Kenmare 4 hours driving plus stops. Bohereen means "little road" some go places some are dead ends, it's the grass in the middle that gives some indication. If you do get around these parts there are lots to chose from and we have an open door policy for Tea and Bread.
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I think the motorways are the smoothest roads. Assuming you will stop in Cashel and Cahir for sightseeing: R693 north and west to Urlingford. M8 south to Cashel & Cahir, continuing south to Cork. N22 west to Poulgorm Bridge where you turn left onto the R569 to Kilgarvan and Kenmare. Some of those are toll roads so have money handy.
Note: The Rock of Cashel is currently covered in scaffolding while Cormac's Chapel is being conserved.
If I was heading from Kilkenny to Kenmare I would stay overnight in Cobh - there are some great B & B's there see http://visitcobh.com
I would drive to Carrick on Suir/Dungarvan/Youghal (stop here) and then onto Cobh. These are not Motorways but good surfaces and not at all busy roads that have nicer surroundings than the Motorways. Two and a half hours from Kilkenny to Cobh and a leisurly 2 hours to Kenmare and no tolls. Lots to do and see in Cobh and the surrounding area.
tony2phones: How nice of you to have an open invitation for tea & bread for visitors...such kind Irish hospitality! I love the sound of "bohereen" or little roads...going nowhere in particular...I hope we get lost on a road with grass growing in the middle of it.
Hi Michele: I really appreciate your recommended routes between Kilkenny and Kenmare, to help me stay on the smoothest roads. As soon as I can get a good map in my hands, I'm going to highlight my routes...that always helps me. Now that I have driving info from you and tony2phones and Itallian Chauffeur, I think as soon as I can highlight a good map things will be clear to me.
I'm glad you warned me the Rock of Cashel currently has some scaffolding due to Cormac's Chapel being conserved. That's disappointing! I don't want my first vision of the Rock of Cashel to include scaffolding! I'll check on the situation when our dates are closer. If the scaffolding is still present, I might even skip the Rock of Cashel until the next trip. The atmosphere or spirit of the place is very important to me...and scaffolding doesn't help that. (Although I'm glad they are keeping things conserved.)
Happy Easter to everybody who celebrated Easter today! My little grandbaby had an easter egg hunt in my yard today...she has just learned to walk! Little blessings...
The scaffolding will be up for several years. It is a big job. The view of the back side of the rock is fine. They really needed to conserve it before it fell down! Last year they had a big picture stretched out on the scaffolding. My husband's brilliant idea was to cover the scaffolding with a gigantic photo of what the rock looks like underneath without the scaffolding. Now, I think that would be brilliant.
They've been doing conservation work on different parts of Rock of Cashel since 2006. The scaffolding is really getting old. It's just part of having old buildings that require maintenance, though, and there are places dotted around the country that have the same look...
I, for one, am really looking forward to the day when they finish at Cormac's Chapel, because I've seen some preliminary photos of some of the restoration work they've been doing on the frescoes on the ceilings in there. Really fabulous stuff! You used to be able to get an idea of how beautiful it must have been in its day, but if they do a good job with the conservation, they could be really lovely again.
In my opinion, with or without scaffolding, Rock of Cashel is worth a visit if you're anywhere in the area. (And don't forget to walk down the hill to wander about the grounds of Hore Abbey.)
The Scaffolding was initially a 5year plan to prevent more water seeping through the Limestone construction and causing further damage. Trust me it might spoil some of the views looking up from town but once you get up there it seems insignificant. There are a few minor disruptions and places you cant get to but nothing is taken from the experience. The guides are local Irish with good knowledge and tales. As an engineer I actually found the steel work and Aluminium sheeting an achievement in itself and have I already said that for 6 Euro you wont get better value for money anywhere else. It's 4Euro to park the car up the hill if there isn't a space on a street at the bottom, some of us might have a problem walking up the hill and wandering round the place for an hour but there are plenty of spots for a sit down. Whilst in Cashel have a look into the folk museum and IRA museum which are usually overlooked and I would guess many visitors wouldn't know the place existed, I can't remember anyone making comment or asking questions about it. That could also be said about many other of the towns features, you might also want to callin at the Bru Boru Heritage Centre which is slightly better known.
I have to admit that I visited the Cashel Folk Village many, many years ago and thought it was just a collection of junk in thatched sheds. I suppose I will have to give it another go.
Those who are in Cashel during the Bru Boru season will want to consider going to the show. I have been to a play there, but the show has not been on during my visits. However, all my clients rave about the musical show. They especially like that the musicians mingle with the audience after the show.
Michele,EngagingKate, & Tony2Phones: Thank you all for reassuring me unanimously that the Rock of Cashel should stay in my itinerary, in spite of the scaffolding.
Michele, I'd sure like to see the show at Bru Boru if its on. I looked but can't tell from the web-site if the musical evening is still on in mid-September...I think maybe not... I'm determined to hear it someday though. I'm glad to hear its worthwhile.
Tony2phones: Thanks for those new links, I'm looking forward to exploring them.
The Bru Boru show tends to have wandering dates. They are never the same from one year to the next. For mid-Sept, I'd say it is probably not on then. It tends to be during the "season".
You will get some good views of the rock from other perspectives without the scaffolding in the picture. When I was there in Oct the view straight on from town was impacted. Who knows, they may have moved it around by now.
OK, so back to going another direction, I would consider Clonakilty if you are interested in a trad session. It would depend on the night that you are there, but there are sometimes some brilliant sessions there. If Kinsale was an option, it appears a fair amount further, but the N71 moves so much more quickly than some of the roads into Kinsale, it really isn't that much longer.
wojazz3 or any music lovers: Thanks for suggesting Clonakilty as an overnight between Kilkenny and Kenmare. It looks like Clonakilty would work if we took the fastest route (inland), which aa says is a drive of 2 hrs. 39 min.
Does Clonakilty have trad music on Saturday nights in September? Any suggestions for particular pub sessions?
According to aa, to get from Kilkenny to Clonakilty, we would go via Clonmel...(N76, N24, M8, N25, N71) for a total drive time of 2 hrs. 39 min. Are those smooth roads with plenty of places to stop to stretch my legs? (Have to stop frequently due to recurring bursitis of the hip.)
Because of your bursitis, I think Clonakilty is a little too far for you as a stop between Kilkenny and Kenmare. Once you get on those small roads past Cork your hip won't like it. I would overnight in Blarney. It is close to all the main routes, is a small village and the Muskerry Arms has music most every night except Monday.
Michele: My hip thanks you! I will avoid those small roads past Cork on this trip. That's why I love your book and web-site...you know all the practical details. I am going to give your suggestion some serious consideration, although I think it's a lot of Blarney. Seriously, I haven't considered Blarney as an overnight between Kilkenny and Kenmare until now...because it seems touristy and I REFUSE to get in line to kiss a stone! But you are making good sense, and it sounds like Blarney might just be a convenient stop for us enroute from Kilkenny to Kenmare. Thank you for suggesting Blarney and explaining why it makes sense for my situation.
You know how my posts tend to get wordy...especially when I post my itinerary with questions...imagine what would happen if I got the gift of gab! Yikes!
I will make a note about the Muskerry Arms having music almost every night. That sounds fun!
My hip bursitis is healing but its slow. I definitely sat too long in my computer chair today and I can feel it...and just think, my computer chair is just sitting here, it's not bumping along on a rough Irish road!
I have been told NOT to lift my sweetie any more...my sweet little almost-2-year-old granddaughter. Tomorrow when she says "hold you, hold you", and bats her baby blue eyes at me...oh dear, what will I do?