I have all my accommodations for September booked except for 1 night. I'd like to break up the drive between Kenmare and Clifden with a 1-night stay. (That's Clifden, County Galway.)
The drive between Kenmare and Clifden is listed on AA as being around 4 hrs. 39 min. I'd like to break that up partly because I've had some trouble with recurring bursitis of the hip and too much driving in one day isn't comfortable. (I'm doing a LOT better now! But I'd still like to break up the drive...I think...)
I've considered staying in Ennis...since we love Irish Trad music...although Ennis might not be too quiet, and I'm a light sleeper.
I've considered Spiddal...since it's in the Gaeltacht region of County Galway... But there are mixed reviews for various accommodations in Spiddal on tripadvisor. Also...Spiddal is only 1.5 hrs. drive from Clifden... Still it sounds interesting, and might have some good Trad music...
There is also Kilrush...and Kilkee...and the Loop Head Drive which we didn't get to see on our first visit to Ireland...however if we stayed in Kilrush or Kilkee...how much more driving would we be doing to see Loop Head? The idea is to break up the drive, not to add more driving.
I've considered Fergus View in Corofin...it's on tripadvisor and in a couple guidebooks...looks quaint and charming...
My husband is recommending that we avoid a 1-night stay anywhere...and add this night onto either Kenmare or Clifden... He says I don't handle 1-night stays well... while he is right, it's hard to say how the drive will affect my bursitis.
Thanks for any intriguing ideas you might have! I should add that we already saw both the Cliffs of Moher and the Burren on our first visit to Ireland, and we already saw the Dingle peninsula as well.
In addition to Irish Trad music, we love wild unspoiled Irish scenery, meeting the locals, and staying in unique accommodations. If you haven't seen our itinerary for September here it is: (It includes settling into 3 main bases for multiple nights:)
Well the caravan is free in our yard but September is rutting season and the Roe Deer can get pretty noisy at dusk and dawn..It would be Unique though.
Seriously Ennis would be your best bet and the accommodations I have already recommended are hardly party central and Grey Gables whilst close to town is in a quiet area.
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tony2phones: Well Tony that's a very unique offer...it might just be far too memorable, even in my wildest imagination!
Yes I'm still considering Ennis. I've always wanted to experience Ennis...it sounds like a "real" Irish town that isn't entirely dependent on the tourist dollar, which is part of its appeal. I'd especially fall in love with Ennis if we heard good Trad music there. The Old Ground hotel actually sounds appealing and Michele says they have King beds. Hotels can go one way or the other...you can get lucky and it can be quiet...or you can get unlucky and there can be a noisy event or just some noisy guests having their own party.
This is only a 1-night stay so if we can't get a King bed we might settle for 2 beds.
Michele: It is with a sigh that I realize I only have 1 night's accommodation left to book...so I'm hanging onto my indecision as long as I reasonably can. Ah, research is part of the fun of travel. I was tempted by Tony's unique offer, as I thought it might add some colorful background to my trip report!
I've been trying to look at unique places in towns that have Trad music.Kilfenora has the set dancing at Vaughn's, which we loved on our first visit to Ireland. However as much as we enjoyed that...we have already been there. (Also we were spectators, not having any idea how to set dance without stepping on everybody! )
Now I'm finding myself hungering for a 1-night stay by the sea...where we can hear the sea...or at least see the sea...somewhere between Kenmare and Clifden, Co. Galway.
You suggested Killaloe/Ballina. That's an interesting choice and its generally off the typical tourist track. There isn't too much info on that area, so its tempting but hard for me to get it into focus. That's what happens when something is a bit off the trodden path.
I'm also considering a night in Salthill, as it's well located to visit pubs in both Galway and any pubs in Spiddal. Now, Salthill is a bit close to Clifden, so it's not too logical to go from Kenmare to Salthill to Clifden. But chances are that as far as pubs go, we won't ever venture too far from our accommodations for evenings in a pub. So chances are when we stay in Clifden, we won't get to visit any pubs in Galway, nor any pubs in Spiddal...just a bit too far. We don't want to have a couple beers in a pub and then try to head off into the countryside for an hour's drive in the dark! But if we stayed in Salthill, pubs in Galway and in Spiddal would be closer.
On the other hand I could just accept the 4 hrs. 36 min. drive from Kenmare all the way to Clifden without stopping...and see if I can add an extra night onto Clifden and just arrive a night earlier.
How many nights stay in Clifden do you think would be TOO many nights?
-- Edited by Melissa5 on Wednesday 27th of July 2011 02:42:08 AM
If you are considering venturing as far as Salthill, might I suggest traveling a wee bit further and staying a Tuar Beg? The Feeney family has been hosting guests for over thirty years. Siobhan is a doll and Eammon is quite the charmer. The house has been built up and add onto from the existing structue which was a stone built thatchie.
Killaloe is on Lough Derg. There are actually twin towns there - Killaloe, Co. Clare and Ballina, Co. Tipperary - that are just across a bridge from each other. It is a marina town from which people rent boats to pilot on Ireland's inland waterways.
CowboyCraic: Thanks very much for recommending the atmospheric Tuar Beag, a home with lots of history. I came across it along with many others on tripadvisor, but I always prefer to have a personal recommendation from someone that I "know" on the forums. When was your stay there, and do you recall which room you had? If we decide to stay there, do you think a light sleeper like me would find it quietest upstairs?
Ever since we decided to visit Connemara, I have been trying to figure out the best way to have an encounter with the "heart" of the Gaeltacht. This desire is difficult to translate into a question on the forums. It is also difficult to learn too much from the tripadvisor reviews in this case, because I think some of those travelers didn't have an accurate idea of what type of accommodation they were booking, and therefore they had unrealistic expectations.
We are spending several nights in Clifden, in order to be able to walk to the musical pubs and various events of Clifden Arts Week. But Clifden isn't quite close enough to the Gaeltacht areas near Spiddal...and I was hoping we would get lucky and hear some good Irish Trad music in some of the little pubs in the smaller villages. I don't speak a word of Irish Gaelic but I love to hear it spoken and sung.
-- Edited by Melissa5 on Thursday 28th of July 2011 04:56:27 AM
Michele: Thanks very much for the choices. Looks like I am choosing between such a variety of delights...some lovely accommodations with sea air right outside my window...OR a hotel in busy Ennis...OR an accommodation in Killaloe...OR the atmospheric Tuar Beag in Spiddal, which seems to me to be near the heart of the Gaeltacht... Most of all, I hope we run across some good music on this 1-night stay!
We stayed there in 2005. As I recall, we had a room upstairs and to the back of the house and it is was quiet and comfortable. The house itself exudes a quite calm and lots of good energies. If memory also serves, both Siobhan and Eamonn are native speakers. They will be able to point you to a good Gaeltacht pub, to be sure.
If, when, we go back next May, Tuar Beg is one of our stays, as it is close to the Ferry port for Inis Mor.
I stand by my suggestion of Ennis being the best stopover but Tuar Beag is a great guest house, we have also used the self catering part for a longer stay. There is a choice of pubs in the centre including our old favourite, An Chalagh Mhor but after changing hands about 4 years ago it fell out of favour. There is a pub round the corner by the lights which I can't remember the name of that has good sessions now and then, the An Tobar was also a good pub but often busy with the younger end. We sort of fell out with Spiddal (An Spidál) a little when it took the Gaeltacht thing a bit too far.
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tony2phones: The interesting thing about Ennis is that since it's bigger, there are probably pubs with trad music every night...and also there is the concert hall Glor,Custy's music shop, and possibly something at coisnahabhna.ie, maybe performing arts in the local Hall in Ennis. A bigger town like Ennis has lots of exciting possibilities when it comes to music and entertainment. On the other hand Frommers guidebook complains about exhaust fumes and traffic, reminding me it's a big city.
You and CowboyCraic have both stayed in Tuar Beag in Spiddal and recommend it, which says a lot to me, as I value your opinions. It looks like just the sort of place my husband and I enjoy. I am curious about why another place gets more publicity in the guidebooks...that would be Cloch na Scith in Kellough, Spiddal, with owners Nancy Hopkins-Naughton and Tomas Naughton. It also looks interesting as well. www.thatchcottage.com . They both look like the kind of places we like.
I find myself hungry to explore the west of Ireland...I can't get enough of it. I want to see even more of the west of IReland when we take future trips! I mean the whole west...NW, mid-West, SW, etc.
Killaloe is looking interesting as well as I am learning a little more about it. But I'm not sure what accommodations are there. It sounds like a scenic area, and does have some pubs with music...and a bit off the typical tourist trail.
thanks for the advice and for listening to my slightly obsessive ramblings about every possible place to stay in IReland!
CowboyCraic: I have been enjoying checking out Tuar Beag in Spiddal and it sounds very intriguing...5 generations of the family have lived in the house, that's a lot of history! It is just the sort of place I have been looking for. Tony2phones has stayed there and enjoyed it as well. I am curious about one thing and I wonder if you have any thoughts. For some reason, another place in Spiddal gets more publicity in the guidebooks...the other place is Cloch na Scith in Kellough, Spiddal, as I also mentioned above to tony. It is run by Nancy Hopkins-Naughton, and her husband is Tomas Naughton, who, according to Frommers guidebook, is a talented painter and sean-nos traditional a cappella Gaelic singer. www.thatchcottage.com . Both of these places sound very intriguing to me!
Although Ennis has a lot to offer, I find myself drawn towards the little village of Spiddal in the Gaeltacht. I actually wish I had more time to spend there...and time to include the Aran Islands...but if we stay in Spiddal at most we would have a day-trip to the Aran Islands. But I'm not changing the rest of my itinerary as it's just perfect the way it is...I have plenty of time at my other stops. After an overnight in Spiddal...we would then be driving to Clifden, not far at all! (Wanted to be in Clifden for part of the Clifden Arts Week.)
I think if we stay in Spiddal it will be a glimpse of life in the Gaeltacht...and I will want to return someday for a longer stay.
In most cases I prefer the samller towns and villages. There are a few memorable exceptions...I have fallen in love with a few bigger cities.
I sure apprecaite your suggestion. I notice that you stay at a lot of interesting and unique places.
I think you should have a really nice fire with all your guide books...Ennis is a Town not a City It does not have LA smog and Frommers must have been sat on the floor sniffing exhaust pipes. The only Gaeltacht experience you are likely to get in Spiddal is the inability to read any of the signs because everyone with the exception of some tourists speaks English. Tuar Beag don't need "guide book" hype they have been going for an awful long time without their influence. Do you want breakfast with some Irish people or with someone from the next state with the same guide book in their pocket.
To be honest Frommers is second only to Rick Steves in the toss it in the bin Irish garbage chart.
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tony2phones: You are funny! I'm addicted to buying guidebooks but they would make a nice bonfire. That would be the quick way to clean up my office which is full of guidebooks and information from many trips in piles! Here I am on the forums to get the "real" inside story! I like your answer about how Tuar Beag has going on for a long time without "guide book hype" as you refer to it.
And I want breakfast with some Irish people. I definitely don't want breakfast with a bunch of people in the next state...especially not if they all have a Rick Steves guidebook!
Confession: I just bought the Rick Steves guidebook. Even though I told other people NOT to buy it. Even though it wasn't very helpful for our previous Ireland trip. Even though I have a pile of Ireland guidebooks. Even though Michele Erdvig's guidebook is TRULY TRULY the only guidebook anyone needs for Ireland, in addition to the fun forums! Why did I buy it? I just couldn't resist...I love reading guidebooks before trips, and comparing their differences.
I do want to read the Gaeltacht signs in Gaelic, though. Tony, I've been practicing! It adds to the atmosphere. Of course I have no idea how to pronounce them, but I like to try to spell them. I thought I would learn some Gaelic. Somewhere I have a CD to learn Gaelic. However...it was impossible to learn from a CD. I am fascinated with languages.
You provide the bonfire. I will provide the marshmallows, graham crackers and hershey bars! We can have an irregulars sing-along and trade travel stories! Now that sounds like mighty craic!
I do agree with Tony on Ennis. It gets some bad press. I am not sure why that is, as I think there are many other towns that would rate hire in the car pollution and congestion category. I am not a big town enthusiast but I love Ennis. It has a lotto offer and is very walkable.
I still stand by Tuar Beg though. Unlike Tony, I hear more native language than I do English when I am in the area. One night will just whet your appetite and bring you back again. I am slowly getting better at my pronunciations. I am shy to speak with native speakers. When I do, they are very encouraging. One said that it was good that "outsiders" are learning the language that way it won't die. Rosetta Stone has a great Irish language program. I have also used Pimsluer's Irish and found it to be very useful. It isn't impossible to learn from a CD, IF you have someone to practice with in real time. I am lucky there in that I have FLANO and his son with whom I practice. FLANO is a language guy, as well. It was his speciality in the military. We have talked about doing an immersion week on Inis Mor. I think that would be a blast, exhausting yes but still fun!
As to why Tuar Beg isn't as well touted in guide books, I can only hazard to guess that they have enough business via satisfied former guests and word of mouth. As Tony said, they have been in business a long time without need of Guide book promotion. Nancy's place is lovely, as well. I stayed there in 2006 with my crew, in the cottage. As you have noticed, I like to stay in unique lodgings whenever possible. What I noticed at Nancy's Thatchie was the other guests were European. Nancy said that she gets a larger volume of European guests over American or Canadian guests.
You Irregulars are having too much fun! Let's see if I can add to it. If Bit is bringing the smores then I'll have to add my own book to the fire. Although it is a labor of love it too does not cover "everything". I would need a few more volumes for that. Maybe an e-book so it would be light enough to carry! Can you burn an e-book?
I've been to Cloch na Scith a few times. Most of the time no one is home. Once himself was there but too busy to show me inside. I've stopped at Tuar Beag but it was torn apart and being worked on so couldn't make any decisions about it. But will definitely stop again next time.
One thing my book has is a list of towns in Irish and English for navigating through Gaeltacht areas. And even though I've been to Ireland 50 times I am still learning. I know that I will never learn everything and am delighted when I find something new. And I always learn a new pronounciation when I'm there. It never ends.
CowboyCraic, Michele, and tony2phones: Yay I've lit the bonfire...party time! Everybody is welcome to throw any frustrating guidebooks on the pile! Looks like I'm on a beach in the wilds of Connemara...toasting marshmellows with the irregulars... Uh-oh...Ouch...I'm burning my fingers because Michele said she was going to throw her guidebook onto the pile so I had to rescue it...Michele, we have to save at least one guidebook! Yours is a joy to read. You are only 20 more vacations away from adding glorious new discoveries to your already fat and juicy guidebook!
Michele: Thanks for including the list of towns in both Irish and English in your book! That will come in very handy.
CowboyCraic: OH thanks for the tip about the Rosetta Stone having a good Irish language program, and Pimsluers Irish. I will check those out. Whichever CD I had bought, it was really unintelligible. I soon gave up. I couldn't even understand what was being said. I'm delighted that you like to stay in unique lodgings. I always like to toss at least 1 or 2 unique lodging into each trip...a homey local place with character.
Michele: As you know my recipe for a successful trip always includes some pampering as well...I like to add some of your recommended guesthouses which offer a bit of pampering and luxuries as well. Part of the reason that I chose Ireland for this year's international vacation destination is that I was too over-stressed to plan a vacation and yet compelled to do my usual style of obsessive planning. Then I realized that you and your guidebook and your web-site were just the travel therapy that I needed! Thanks for being there, Michele, for all of us zealous over--planners. I am GLORIOUSLY looking forward to being spoiled at breakfast-time every single day on vacation! I LOVE guesthouses and b&bs with a tasty breakfast.
As for my original question posted here...hmmm...I'm leaning towards the extra night in Spiddal. But Ennis is tempting...let's look into that bonfire and see if the Frommers guidebook is toasty yet. Tuar Beag is beckoning...
Michele: At least I am enjoying learning so much about different areas of Ireland! Armchair travel, ah, that's the life.
It turns out that Tuar Beag in Spiddal is full for the night that I wanted. Might have to save that one for a future trip.
I also emailed Petra House B&B in Galway but they were full as well. They are currently #1 on tripadvisor which isn't always accurate...but in this case, I do trust many of their reviewers as they are experienced travelers. However they are full too. I thought Galway would be good for music.
Just to throw in another perspective...my husband says that if I make him stop somewhere just for 1 night, he wants it to be somewhere scenic where he can enjoy some outdoor nature walks. (Assuming it's not raining!)
Of course since this stopover is meant to rest my hip we will want to park the car and do a lot of walking, NOT more driving. So...Ennis is still on the table but I don't think they have nature walks from town...but they do have music.
What about DOOLIN? It seems to me that the music in Doolin could easily be too touristy for us. But...isn't Doolin near some scenic coastal walks? We have seen the Cliffs of Moher, but have never walked to the Cliffs of Moher from Doolin...we drove to the Cliffs of Moher last time.
There's COROFIN in the Burren...but I'm wondering if there is anything growing on the Burren in September? (Last time we saw the Burren in June/July. There were flowers.)
LISDOONVARNA has the matchmaker festival through most of September. Seems there is music and dancing every day. That could be fun...sometimes we like lively events...but maybe it's too touristy and noisy? Also the accommodations might possibly be booked up already.
I may be at the point where it's time to email many places at once, and take the one that has a room available!
The Matchmaker Festival in Lisdoon can clog up the area. How about Hillcrest View in Kilrush? It is just after the Shannon Ferry. Vandeleur Walled Gardens might be a good nature walk. And if you hip is cooperating, Loop Head is not far. There is good walking and hiking at the Bridges of Ross and Loop Head.
Kenmare to Ennis, Ennis to Clifden. you will get into town for 6pm and leave @ 9am so there is a park in town to wander around, there is hardly time to do a route march eat a meal and have a full night of music. Ennis is a safe place to wander around town down the streets, by the river and 5 minutes out from town in the car gets you into the county anyway. You have less than 8 weeks before you arrive, asking the same questions on multiple sites is far too stressful. I mean this in the nicest possible way... Get it sorted and then you can RELAX.
OK, let me make it worse First, Ennis has a smog and traffic problem??? I think one thing that gives Ennis a bad rap is that people drive through it and they never see the town center which is really quite nice. Try Cruise's pub for music as it seesm they have it most nights. It's a nice room too.
I've stayed at the Lakeside Country Lodge twice which is just outside of Ennis. It has a beautiful view over Killone Lake and Abbey and is on a working farm. Last time I was there I was lead to the bard where a little lamb had just made it's way into the world. It is VERY quiet there. So just one more option.
My favorite Ennis lodgings is still NewPark House , close enough to Ennis to enjoy the pubs and such and yet out enough to be quiet. bernie is an awesome host and the breakfasts are delicious.
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wojazz3: What a nice story! I would love to see a little lamb being born. I once came home from school and saw my dog giving birth to her pups...it was amazing. She was very calm about the whole thing. Ok now I'm curious to look up the Lakeside Country Lodge outside of Ennis. It's not in these guidebooks so I'll try the internet.
tony2phones: Thanks for your generosity in sharing so much info and advice with me. Who, me, stressed? Don't worry about me...I enjoy planning the trip almost as much as I enjoy taking the trip and writing the trip report. It's like getting 3 trips for the price of one!
Michele: Thanks as always for the great ideas. Hillcrest view in Kilrush looks very inviting! I wish I had time to spend 2 nights there because I always wanted to see Loop Head on our first trip. Loop Head might have to wait til the next trip. It's so tempting to try to squeeze it in...but my hip might not handle the extra 1-hour drive both ways from Kilrush to the Loop Head lighthouse...I always wanted to make that entire drive but we chose the Cliffs of Moher on our first trip instead. Still, I'm considering Hillcrest View as it would make a nice stop even without the Loop Head drive.
As usual my husband is being contrary. Every time I ask him where HE would like to stay on this night in question....he gives me a different answer! I will just have to surprise him.
tony2phones is right about one thing...most likely by the time we arrive at this 1-night-stay...it will be late afternoon at the earliest...so we wont' have a lot of the day left. We probably won't leave Kenmare til almost lunch time, I'm guessing. And we like to stop a lot enroute.
Gee Whiz, maybe tony2phones is right about burning the guidebooks...Frommers is full of bad news. On page 71 Frommers talks about the "Worrisome Water Supply". But maybe that counts as good news because awareness means they are taking care of things. I haven't looked it up but the web-site to read is apparently www.epa.ie/whatwedo/enforce/pa/drink . Well I supposed I'd better at least see if that link works so I will try it now. I'm not worried about it as I prefer bottled water anyway because where I live in San Diego we have the worst tasting tap water on the planet and most people drink either bottled water or else they have the Brita filters which you can use to filter the water yourself. So if you take a trip to San Diego don't drink our tap water...ewwwww! OK...yes that website does work...it's the EPA site about water quality. But I didn't read it because it doesn't look like much fun. I'd rather read about musical pubs and crashing waves on scenic coastlines and yummy breakfasts and friendly b&bs and baby lambs being born!
-- Edited by Melissa5 on Tuesday 2nd of August 2011 05:31:45 PM
CowboyCraic: Cool! Thanks for sharing that you enjoyed your stay at Newpark House. I saw the reviews on tripadvisor but it is always important to me to get a recommendation from a "known" source...someone like you whom I know is a real traveller and I know something about your travel style.
I find it interesting that a lot of you experienced Ireland travelers seem to have enjoyed staying in Ennis.
If you did stay in Kilrush you could route through Ballybunion. There is a very nice cliffside walk (an easy one) with views of the beaches and ocean. Once I even saw a pod of dolphins feeding down below. After that you could take the ferry across the river and be in Kilrush.
We are staying at the cozy Fergus View in Kilnaboy, Corofin, County Clare! www.fergusview.com My biologist husband is looking forward to a walk on the Burren. Hopefully the weather will allow for a walk!
I have had my eye on Fergus View as a unique and authentically Irish place to stay since 2004 when I planned our first trip to Ireland. But I think they were booked at that time.
There are helpful reviews on tripadvisor.com if anybody is curious about Fergus View. Some of the reviews are quite descriptive and detailed which is helpful. Yes, I read them all! I believe they also have a self-catering cottage which sleeps up to 5 people...I think I saw one on their web-site. But we are in the main house.
Maybe we will stop in Ennis enroute from Kenmare to Fergus View in Kilnaboy, Corofin. On the other hand, my husband will probably want to hurry over to The Burren so he has time for a good walk.
Michele, thanks for all those links as we have learned that even though there are more flowers in May, there is still some flora blooming on the burren in September.
THANK YOU EVERYONE for the armchair tour of all the unique accommodations in Ireland between Kenmare and Clifden! I have enjoyed every minute of it and you all have given me ideas for the NEXT trip!
Glad you made your decision. Now you will have to rent Father Ted videos to watch. His house is near Corofin and the TV series was filmed locally. Warning: you have to ease into the sitcom. It is crazy!
Michele: Since "Father Ted's" house is near Corofin and it was filmed locally, I definitely will have to rent the series to watch! I've never seen it...I'll try to find it. Thanks for the recommendation.